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Post by Bandit on Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:43 pm

After breaking the new mini starter that i bought i decided to try the old starter again,was a bit hit and miss,sometimes it would turn over slowly and sometimes fast enough to start.When it was turning over it was loud and i though it might need shimming so added some,then it stopped turning engine over,so bought another standard one.
Here's my old one when i took it off,i say old,it's actually only about 12 months old.



Here's the new one off ebay from USAuto,only £55 delivered.Still have same problem though with slow and fast turning and noisy.Not sure if it needs more shims,already got about 7 shims in there.

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Re: New starter

Post by thirdgen on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:04 pm

i had one one my 400 had it off and never really knew if i put it on right either . turned it ok tho
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Post by Terry-D on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:05 pm

My car has its original starter when it got a bit lazy I put an extra Earth on it that sorted the problem 14years ago and it's still going strong Very Happy
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Post by thirdgen on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:06 pm

headers are the problem with standard ones i think no other reason to change it i would have thought
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Post by Bandit on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:13 pm

I thought it was a header problem at first that's why i bought the mini one,although headers are wrapped,i put a earth cable from chassis to one of starter motor bolts but that didn't help either.
Seems odd i have only had this problem since the engine wouldn't turn at all and i found the washer against the push rod.
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Post by Terry-D on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:14 pm

I didn't think of that Paul and I am going to be getting headers .
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Post by Terry-D on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:16 pm

Bandit wrote:I thought it was a header problem at first that's why i bought the mini one,although headers are wrapped,i put a earth cable from chassis to one of starter motor bolts but that didn't help either.
Seems odd i have only had this problem since the engine wouldn't turn at all and i found the washer against the push rod.

How did that get there?
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Post by Bandit on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:18 pm

I have had headers on nearly all of the birds i have had,never had a starting problem with any of them.
I think my car is jinxed,think i need to stop buying cars off dead people lol.
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Post by Bandit on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:19 pm

Terry-D wrote:
Bandit wrote:I thought it was a header problem at first that's why i bought the mini one,although headers are wrapped,i put a earth cable from chassis to one of starter motor bolts but that didn't help either.
Seems odd i have only had this problem since the engine wouldn't turn at all and i found the washer against the push rod.

How did that get there?

Not a clue,looked like one of the washers off the intake bolts which i had off a few weeks before but they all have their washers in place.
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Post by thirdgen on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:20 pm

Laughing christine ?? that one fixed it self didnt it Laughing

i would stick with manifolds if i was you terry
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Post by Terry-D on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:23 pm

Bloody washers have a mind of their own Shocked
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Post by Terry-D on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:25 pm

thirdgen wrote:Laughing   christine ?? that one fixed it self didnt it Laughing

i would stick with manifolds if i was you terry
May just do that thanks Paul
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Post by Bandit on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:35 pm

thirdgen wrote:Laughing   christine ?? that one fixed it self didnt it Laughing

i would stick with manifolds if i was you terry

The mk4 Continental was a bit like Christine,didn't fix itself but one owner killed himself in it,sat in it drinking a bottle of whiskey with a pipe from exhaust into car.Next owner parked it on Ainsdale beach nr Southport and tide came in on it,i guess that's why it always sounded like it was running on water,lol.Then i bought it but decided it needed too much so sold it to the Blues brothers in Crewe.They towed it back with a wagon but it wasn't running,the one steering it had igbition on to use lights,but then it started to rain so he had wipers on,then battery went flat just as they were going over a hump back bridge,on the other side of the bridge was a almost new Rover,the guy driving the wagon went round it but the one in the Lincoln couldn't see it and ploughed straight into it,wrote both cars off.
Was glad to get rid of that one Shocked
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Post by thirdgen on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:38 pm

lol thats one car i would not want anyway the hose pipe would have put me off
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Post by SUPERCHARGEDGTA on Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:19 pm

thirdgen wrote:Laughing   christine ?? that one fixed it self didnt it Laughing

i would stick with manifolds if i was you terry

they really do improve performance and throttle response a lot though
was amazed how much faster mine was after fitting them. wrapped mine and the starter, and never had a problem

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Re: New starter

Post by thirdgen on Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:25 pm

Put them on my gta i did nit notice any dufference apart from a nicer rumble
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Post by BRYDENGTA on Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:34 pm

Definitely noticed a difference when fitted, like dad said better pick up, better throttle response and better noise
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Re: New starter

Post by Terry-D on Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:09 am

SUPERCHARGEDGTA wrote:
thirdgen wrote:Laughing   christine ?? that one fixed it self didnt it Laughing

i would stick with manifolds if i was you terry

they really do improve performance and throttle response a lot though
was amazed how much faster mine was after fitting them. wrapped mine and the starter, and never had a problem

Kevs got nothing to do he's good with a spanner cheers
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Post by SUPERCHARGEDGTA on Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:39 am

thought he was busy making trouble on the poc forum

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Re: New starter

Post by Bandit on Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:14 pm

Been  looking for shims this morning but couldn't find any,so took starter off to see how many shims i had used,9 in total and just short of 7 mm thick altogether,that's ridiculous but gonna have to make one,probably out of steel bar just to see if it does need more shimming.

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Re: New starter

Post by thirdgen on Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:50 pm

i dont think my mini had 7 on
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Post by Webbel on Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:42 pm

My mini didnt have any shims...worked fine
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Post by SUPERCHARGEDGTA on Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:08 pm

last one I fitted only needed 1 shim

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Post by SUPERCHARGEDGTA on Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:10 pm

you sure its got the right flywheel/flex plate?
is starter ring ok?

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Re: New starter

Post by Bandit on Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:42 pm

With the starter that just broke i am sure i had 3 shims and never had a problem with it for about 12 months,then i had the starting problem when i found the washer in the head.
The flex plate is same one that's been on from when i fitted the 400 engine,i have been thinking maybe it's warped from when i was messing around trying to get the mini one to work,but wouldn't think that would affect shimming,but maybe it's what's making it noisy turning over,i just assumed it's a shimming problem.



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