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Re: New starter

Post by SUPERCHARGEDGTA on Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:18 pm

could be worth checking it for run-out or damage

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Re: New starter

Post by Bandit on Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:31 pm

Had a look at it today,starter isn't the problem,engine is tight again.Tried turning it with ratchet,couldn't turn it at all,so released all rockers and unhooked them from push rods,tried it with key,first couple of turns were slow then turned pretty fast,left it about a minute then tried again,same thing,slow then fast.Tried it again with ratchet and was hard turning.
So assume it's a bottom end issue or cam? Left pushrods in and all seemed to move up and down when engine was turning so doesn't seem to be anything wrong with them.
Looks like i might have to pull engine again Sad Piece of shit,i hate 2nd gens.

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Re: New starter

Post by thirdgen on Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:40 pm

Lol i remember i spent more time fixing my 78 than driving it too. I love them but not the repairs. Not touched my 88 yet

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Re: New starter

Post by SUPERCHARGEDGTA on Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:00 pm

with rockers disconnected the air can not escape on the exhaust stroke so will be hard first turn
try it with plugs out

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Re: New starter

Post by Bandit on Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:30 pm

SUPERCHARGEDGTA wrote:with rockers disconnected the air can not escape on the exhaust stroke so will be hard first turn
try it with plugs out

Thanks John,i will pull plugs tomorrow,if it turns easy then i guess it's a valve train problem.Don't think it's lifters or push rods as they all looked like they was moving up and down ok,i checked rods for straightness last time when i found the washer.I guess that just leaves valves,i fitted all new ones and had all new guides fitted when i rebuilt engine,but i am wondering if that dropped washer has somehow caused some damage.

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Re: New starter

Post by Bandit on Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:32 pm

Tried it with plugs out,turns over easily enough,thought i heard a noise from back of engine when i was turning it over to set rockers.I set rockers and tried turning it on key,still turned over quickly enough,so put plugs back in,turns over slowly as if battery is flat.
So i am stumped,unless it's a trans problem as i did think i heard a noise.Might unbolt torque converter to see if it turns over easy.

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Re: New starter

Post by SUPERCHARGEDGTA on Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:16 pm

have you tried battery booster/booster cables?
have you load tested the battery?
is starter under shimmed?

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Re: New starter

Post by SUPERCHARGEDGTA on Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:20 pm

what is compression ratio?
have you given it a compression test?
could just be high compression, may need a bigger battery

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Re: New starter

Post by thirdgen on Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:43 pm

Sometimes the simple things get overlooked i thought my carb was my problem on my 78 but was plugs on hot starts !

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Re: New starter

Post by Bandit on Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:18 pm

Not done a compression test but i only rebuilt engine just over 12 months ago so i assume it's good.I was thinking battery but tried it with a jump start from my Jag which is diesel so has a decent size battery,wouldn't turn over fast enough to start,tried battery from Jag,no joy,then went out today and jumped it from Jag,it started,yippee.Still won't start on it's own though.
I went to my local alternator place for a earth cable,so asked in there,guy said it shouldn't be a earth problem as earth from battery goes straight to engine,he said it sounds more like a problem on positive side.So gonna get some battery cable and make new leads up for both battery cables.

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Re: New starter

Post by SUPERCHARGEDGTA on Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:21 pm

was engine rebuilt to standard, or higher compression ratio?

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Re: New starter

Post by Bandit on Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:33 pm

SUPERCHARGEDGTA wrote:was engine rebuilt to standard, or higher compression ratio?

Standard,it was bored +40,crank was re ground +10 i think.

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Re: New starter

Post by Bandit on Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:54 pm

At last,got it started saturday,wouldn't start with jump leads to Jag,so tried it with van,still wouldn't turn over fast enough to start it.So charged battery for about half hour then jumped it again with van and it ran,didn't go far as it was getting too late.
Went out sunday morning and it turned over and started no problem.Went for about a 5 minute drive with lights on as it was a bit foggy,got home switched off and tried it,started no problem.
later in afternoon went out again,about 10 mins,came home switched off and it started straight up again.Went in house got keys to move Jag off drive to put Trans Am away and wouldn't start,just turned really slow about twice.Went out a couple hours later,still wouldn't turn over so had to jump start it with van,turned over no problem and started.
Not sure what to think now,i was wondering if getting out and having a run has helped but not sure why it didn't start later,maybe now it just needs a battery,might have killed that too while trying to start it all this time.
Seems odd that it turned over really fast straight after a run then within a couple of minutes wouldn't turn over at all hardly.
Was great finally getting to drive it a bit though.

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Re: New starter

Post by SUPERCHARGEDGTA on Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:24 pm

battery is first thing to change for sure
lets hope that is it

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Re: New starter

Post by Webbel on Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:45 pm

What CCA is the battery

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Re: New starter

Post by Bandit on Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:44 am

Webbel wrote:What CCA is the battery

Can't remember now,think it's about 590 or something,way higher than recommended one.I took it off my Transit as i bought a really big one for that,had to remove the battery box from under seat it was so big,LOL.
Bought a Varta battery for Trans Am,should be here tomorrow,770 cca.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360771699223

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Re: New starter

Post by Webbel on Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:56 pm

Lets hope its sorted with the new battery

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Re: New starter

Post by Bandit on Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:51 am

Webbel wrote:Lets hope its sorted with the new battery

Hopefully Got a email saying battery is being delivered today between 1 and 2 pm.Just hope the rain stays off then i can go for a drive in it,wipers don't wipe the rain off as they don't actually touch the screen,LOL,and no heater so can't clear steamy windows.

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Re: New starter

Post by BRYDENGTA on Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:17 pm

Lol hope it works mate

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Re: New starter

Post by SUPERCHARGEDGTA on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:42 pm

fingers crossed dude

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Re: New starter

Post by Bandit on Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:52 pm

Well,seems good so far Put battery on,spun it over no problem and fired up on first turn,stopped and started about 5 times within about 10 mins and no slow turn over.Went for a drive and videoed it but wasn't on camera when i got home.Might be because camera fell off dash when i floored it out of a corner Rolling Eyes
Just shows you can't tell if a battery is good or not just from using a volt meter,was showing 12.87 volts when i took it off which is what it has shown all the time i was trying to get it started,which is why i didn't think it was battery.

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Re: New starter

Post by thirdgen on Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:57 pm

good news

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Re: New starter

Post by Webbel on Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:15 pm

Great news

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Re: New starter

Post by SUPERCHARGEDGTA on Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:23 pm

cool
you need to load test a battery to see if it is good

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Re: New starter

Post by Bandit on Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:25 pm

Not had time to try it today but it was still starting fine yesterday.Now to get started finding out why it stinks of fumes so much when it's running,even outside on the pavement,wide open space,it's impossible to stand near the car without getting carbon poisoning,think it's that crappy Holley carb.Need to sort the Rochester i bought for £7.50,already cleaned it and put it back together,just got a couple bits missing.

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